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| @salvagedcircuit any chance you could share what you've found? Maybe we can try to expand on it etc. I guess you are really sending us on a mission now ;-) Love what Apple has to say on page 42/43 in US patent 10,061,361 B2 from Aug. 28,2018 | |
| More fun parts to read are in US patent 8,736,286 "Electronic devices such as desktop personal computers, laptop or notebook computers, smartphones, and portable digital media players are often tampered with by the end user or consumer. For example, some users would like to test their do-it-yourself abilities and attempt to repair or improve the performance of an electronic device by opening its exterior housing and attempting to remove or modify electronic components inside, such as a printed wiring board or printed circuit board (PCB). " and that is how they justify the use of tamper-proof fasteners :-( | |
| Patent 8,339,775 is pretty much the only one I can find that mentions "pentalobe fasteners". So, I wonder if any of the references cited would give more of a clue about those. | |
| 5278725 January 1994 Konno et al. | |
| 5283862 February 1994 Lund | |
| 5325984 July 1994 Ady et al. | |
| 5355278 October 1994 Hosoi et al. | |
| 6392880 May 2002 Forlenza et al. | |
| 6437773 August 2002 Kornmayer et al. | |
| 2004/0027341 February 2004 Derocher | |
| 2005/0057525 March 2005 Sun | |
| 2006/0146031 July 2006 Wang et al. | |
| 2008/0174941 July 2008 Mundt et al. | |
| 2008/0316691 December 2008 Arends | |
| 2009/0179537 July 2009 Morino et al. | |
| 2009/0257184 October 2009 Lee et al. | |
| 2010/0091442 April 2010 Theobald et al. | |
| 2010/0092845 April 2010 Spare et al. | |
| 2010/0147581 June 2010 Mitomi | |
| 2010/0259891 October 2010 Tachikawa | |
| 2011/0021054 January 2011 Huang | |
| Foreign Patent Documents | |
| 2008-225980 Sep 2008 JP | |
| 2009-059285 Mar 2009 JP | |
| @captainsnowball possible that Apple does not hold the patent. They may just be using someone else's patent which would be okay. | |
| Getting to large for a comment so I posted it as an answer. | |
| === Update (12/03/2018) === | |
| Interesting enough and maybe it’ll warrant checking on the Torx patents “Tamper-Resistant TORX PLUS Drive | |
| This unique TORX PLUS variation '''incorporates a five lobe design''' and a solid post formed in the center of the recess.” | |
| “In the late 1980s, Bryce Fastener began manufacturing the pentagon shaped drive with a rejection pin. Even after 18 years the Penta-Plus™ design remains extremely secure. The reason for this is that all driver bits are made in house at Bryce Fastener and driver bit sales are controlled and never sold through distribution or to the general public. If a potential customer intends to resell driver bits with their product, Bryce Fastener declines the sale.” [https://www.brycefastener.com/bryce-security-blog.html/2012/01/31/tamperproof-screws-are-history-the-age-of-high-security-screws-has-begun/|from here] | |
| - | “'''1967- The Torx Drive''' |
| - | |
| - | As its name suggests, the Torx drive was designed to improve upon the torque transmission capabilities of previous socket styles. The hexalobular design of the Torx socket is an improvement upon the hexagon drive due to the addition of six deep ‘lobes’, which allow force to be transmitted at closer to a 90 degree angle in each corner, and greatly improves its ability to transmit rotational forces. '''The hexalobular design is also stronger and more resistant to rounding than a hexagon drive, making the Torx drive preferable''' on unhardened ++Stainless Steel Screws++. [https://www.accu.co.uk/en/p/110-what-is-the-best-screw-drive|from here] |
| - | |
| [https://patents.google.com/patent/US5171117A/en?q=5-point&q=Torx&q=F16B23%2f003|Here is] a patent that refers to something called a multilobular fastener, mentions Torx but is not specifically referring to Torx |
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Edit by: oldturkey03
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| @salvagedcircuit any chance you could share what you've found? Maybe we can try to expand on it etc. I guess you are really sending us on a mission now ;-) Love what Apple has to say on page 42/43 in US patent 10,061,361 B2 from Aug. 28,2018 | |
| More fun parts to read are in US patent 8,736,286 "Electronic devices such as desktop personal computers, laptop or notebook computers, smartphones, and portable digital media players are often tampered with by the end user or consumer. For example, some users would like to test their do-it-yourself abilities and attempt to repair or improve the performance of an electronic device by opening its exterior housing and attempting to remove or modify electronic components inside, such as a printed wiring board or printed circuit board (PCB). " and that is how they justify the use of tamper-proof fasteners :-( | |
| Patent 8,339,775 is pretty much the only one I can find that mentions "pentalobe fasteners". So, I wonder if any of the references cited would give more of a clue about those. | |
| 5278725 January 1994 Konno et al. | |
| 5283862 February 1994 Lund | |
| 5325984 July 1994 Ady et al. | |
| 5355278 October 1994 Hosoi et al. | |
| 6392880 May 2002 Forlenza et al. | |
| 6437773 August 2002 Kornmayer et al. | |
| 2004/0027341 February 2004 Derocher | |
| 2005/0057525 March 2005 Sun | |
| 2006/0146031 July 2006 Wang et al. | |
| 2008/0174941 July 2008 Mundt et al. | |
| 2008/0316691 December 2008 Arends | |
| 2009/0179537 July 2009 Morino et al. | |
| 2009/0257184 October 2009 Lee et al. | |
| 2010/0091442 April 2010 Theobald et al. | |
| 2010/0092845 April 2010 Spare et al. | |
| 2010/0147581 June 2010 Mitomi | |
| 2010/0259891 October 2010 Tachikawa | |
| 2011/0021054 January 2011 Huang | |
| Foreign Patent Documents | |
| 2008-225980 Sep 2008 JP | |
| 2009-059285 Mar 2009 JP | |
| @captainsnowball possible that Apple does not hold the patent. They may just be using someone else's patent which would be okay. | |
| Getting to large for a comment so I posted it as an answer. | |
| === Update (12/03/2018) === | |
| Interesting enough and maybe it’ll warrant checking on the Torx patents “Tamper-Resistant TORX PLUS Drive | |
| This unique TORX PLUS variation '''incorporates a five lobe design''' and a solid post formed in the center of the recess.” | |
| “In the late 1980s, Bryce Fastener began manufacturing the pentagon shaped drive with a rejection pin. Even after 18 years the Penta-Plus™ design remains extremely secure. The reason for this is that all driver bits are made in house at Bryce Fastener and driver bit sales are controlled and never sold through distribution or to the general public. If a potential customer intends to resell driver bits with their product, Bryce Fastener declines the sale.” [https://www.brycefastener.com/bryce-security-blog.html/2012/01/31/tamperproof-screws-are-history-the-age-of-high-security-screws-has-begun/|from here] | |
| “'''1967- The Torx Drive''' | |
| As its name suggests, the Torx drive was designed to improve upon the torque transmission capabilities of previous socket styles. The hexalobular design of the Torx socket is an improvement upon the hexagon drive due to the addition of six deep ‘lobes’, which allow force to be transmitted at closer to a 90 degree angle in each corner, and greatly improves its ability to transmit rotational forces. '''The hexalobular design is also stronger and more resistant to rounding than a hexagon drive, making the Torx drive preferable''' on unhardened ++Stainless Steel Screws++. [https://www.accu.co.uk/en/p/110-what-is-the-best-screw-drive|from here] | |
| + | |
| + | [https://patents.google.com/patent/US5171117A/en?q=5-point&q=Torx&q=F16B23%2f003|Here is] a patent that refers to something called a multilobular fastener, mentions Torx but is not specifically referring to Torx |
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Edit by: oldturkey03
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| @salvagedcircuit any chance you could share what you've found? Maybe we can try to expand on it etc. I guess you are really sending us on a mission now ;-) Love what Apple has to say on page 42/43 in US patent 10,061,361 B2 from Aug. 28,2018 | |
| More fun parts to read are in US patent 8,736,286 "Electronic devices such as desktop personal computers, laptop or notebook computers, smartphones, and portable digital media players are often tampered with by the end user or consumer. For example, some users would like to test their do-it-yourself abilities and attempt to repair or improve the performance of an electronic device by opening its exterior housing and attempting to remove or modify electronic components inside, such as a printed wiring board or printed circuit board (PCB). " and that is how they justify the use of tamper-proof fasteners :-( | |
| Patent 8,339,775 is pretty much the only one I can find that mentions "pentalobe fasteners". So, I wonder if any of the references cited would give more of a clue about those. | |
| 5278725 January 1994 Konno et al. | |
| 5283862 February 1994 Lund | |
| 5325984 July 1994 Ady et al. | |
| 5355278 October 1994 Hosoi et al. | |
| 6392880 May 2002 Forlenza et al. | |
| 6437773 August 2002 Kornmayer et al. | |
| 2004/0027341 February 2004 Derocher | |
| 2005/0057525 March 2005 Sun | |
| 2006/0146031 July 2006 Wang et al. | |
| 2008/0174941 July 2008 Mundt et al. | |
| 2008/0316691 December 2008 Arends | |
| 2009/0179537 July 2009 Morino et al. | |
| 2009/0257184 October 2009 Lee et al. | |
| 2010/0091442 April 2010 Theobald et al. | |
| 2010/0092845 April 2010 Spare et al. | |
| 2010/0147581 June 2010 Mitomi | |
| 2010/0259891 October 2010 Tachikawa | |
| 2011/0021054 January 2011 Huang | |
| Foreign Patent Documents | |
| 2008-225980 Sep 2008 JP | |
| 2009-059285 Mar 2009 JP | |
| @captainsnowball possible that Apple does not hold the patent. They may just be using someone else's patent which would be okay. | |
| Getting to large for a comment so I posted it as an answer. | |
| === Update (12/03/2018) === | |
| Interesting enough and maybe it’ll warrant checking on the Torx patents “Tamper-Resistant TORX PLUS Drive | |
| This unique TORX PLUS variation '''incorporates a five lobe design''' and a solid post formed in the center of the recess.” | |
| “In the late 1980s, Bryce Fastener began manufacturing the pentagon shaped drive with a rejection pin. Even after 18 years the Penta-Plus™ design remains extremely secure. The reason for this is that all driver bits are made in house at Bryce Fastener and driver bit sales are controlled and never sold through distribution or to the general public. If a potential customer intends to resell driver bits with their product, Bryce Fastener declines the sale.” [https://www.brycefastener.com/bryce-security-blog.html/2012/01/31/tamperproof-screws-are-history-the-age-of-high-security-screws-has-begun/|from here] | |
| + | |
| + | “'''1967- The Torx Drive''' |
| + | |
| + | As its name suggests, the Torx drive was designed to improve upon the torque transmission capabilities of previous socket styles. The hexalobular design of the Torx socket is an improvement upon the hexagon drive due to the addition of six deep ‘lobes’, which allow force to be transmitted at closer to a 90 degree angle in each corner, and greatly improves its ability to transmit rotational forces. '''The hexalobular design is also stronger and more resistant to rounding than a hexagon drive, making the Torx drive preferable''' on unhardened ++Stainless Steel Screws++. [https://www.accu.co.uk/en/p/110-what-is-the-best-screw-drive|from here] |
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Edit by: oldturkey03
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| @salvagedcircuit any chance you could share what you've found? Maybe we can try to expand on it etc. I guess you are really sending us on a mission now ;-) Love what Apple has to say on page 42/43 in US patent 10,061,361 B2 from Aug. 28,2018 | |
| More fun parts to read are in US patent 8,736,286 "Electronic devices such as desktop personal computers, laptop or notebook computers, smartphones, and portable digital media players are often tampered with by the end user or consumer. For example, some users would like to test their do-it-yourself abilities and attempt to repair or improve the performance of an electronic device by opening its exterior housing and attempting to remove or modify electronic components inside, such as a printed wiring board or printed circuit board (PCB). " and that is how they justify the use of tamper-proof fasteners :-( | |
| Patent 8,339,775 is pretty much the only one I can find that mentions "pentalobe fasteners". So, I wonder if any of the references cited would give more of a clue about those. | |
| 5278725 January 1994 Konno et al. | |
| 5283862 February 1994 Lund | |
| 5325984 July 1994 Ady et al. | |
| 5355278 October 1994 Hosoi et al. | |
| 6392880 May 2002 Forlenza et al. | |
| 6437773 August 2002 Kornmayer et al. | |
| 2004/0027341 February 2004 Derocher | |
| 2005/0057525 March 2005 Sun | |
| 2006/0146031 July 2006 Wang et al. | |
| 2008/0174941 July 2008 Mundt et al. | |
| 2008/0316691 December 2008 Arends | |
| 2009/0179537 July 2009 Morino et al. | |
| 2009/0257184 October 2009 Lee et al. | |
| 2010/0091442 April 2010 Theobald et al. | |
| 2010/0092845 April 2010 Spare et al. | |
| 2010/0147581 June 2010 Mitomi | |
| 2010/0259891 October 2010 Tachikawa | |
| 2011/0021054 January 2011 Huang | |
| Foreign Patent Documents | |
| 2008-225980 Sep 2008 JP | |
| 2009-059285 Mar 2009 JP | |
| @captainsnowball possible that Apple does not hold the patent. They may just be using someone else's patent which would be okay. | |
| Getting to large for a comment so I posted it as an answer. | |
| + | |
| + | === Update (12/03/2018) === |
| + | Interesting enough and maybe it’ll warrant checking on the Torx patents “Tamper-Resistant TORX PLUS Drive |
| + | |
| + | This unique TORX PLUS variation '''incorporates a five lobe design''' and a solid post formed in the center of the recess.” |
| + | |
| + | “In the late 1980s, Bryce Fastener began manufacturing the pentagon shaped drive with a rejection pin. Even after 18 years the Penta-Plus™ design remains extremely secure. The reason for this is that all driver bits are made in house at Bryce Fastener and driver bit sales are controlled and never sold through distribution or to the general public. If a potential customer intends to resell driver bits with their product, Bryce Fastener declines the sale.” [https://www.brycefastener.com/bryce-security-blog.html/2012/01/31/tamperproof-screws-are-history-the-age-of-high-security-screws-has-begun/|from here] |
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Original post by: oldturkey03
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@salvagedcircuit any chance you could share what you've found? Maybe we can try to expand on it etc. I guess you are really sending us on a mission now ;-) Love what Apple has to say on page 42/43 in US patent 10,061,361 B2 from Aug. 28,2018 More fun parts to read are in US patent 8,736,286 "Electronic devices such as desktop personal computers, laptop or notebook computers, smartphones, and portable digital media players are often tampered with by the end user or consumer. For example, some users would like to test their do-it-yourself abilities and attempt to repair or improve the performance of an electronic device by opening its exterior housing and attempting to remove or modify electronic components inside, such as a printed wiring board or printed circuit board (PCB). " and that is how they justify the use of tamper-proof fasteners :-( Patent 8,339,775 is pretty much the only one I can find that mentions "pentalobe fasteners". So, I wonder if any of the references cited would give more of a clue about those. 5278725 January 1994 Konno et al. 5283862 February 1994 Lund 5325984 July 1994 Ady et al. 5355278 October 1994 Hosoi et al. 6392880 May 2002 Forlenza et al. 6437773 August 2002 Kornmayer et al. 2004/0027341 February 2004 Derocher 2005/0057525 March 2005 Sun 2006/0146031 July 2006 Wang et al. 2008/0174941 July 2008 Mundt et al. 2008/0316691 December 2008 Arends 2009/0179537 July 2009 Morino et al. 2009/0257184 October 2009 Lee et al. 2010/0091442 April 2010 Theobald et al. 2010/0092845 April 2010 Spare et al. 2010/0147581 June 2010 Mitomi 2010/0259891 October 2010 Tachikawa 2011/0021054 January 2011 Huang Foreign Patent Documents 2008-225980 Sep 2008 JP 2009-059285 Mar 2009 JP @captainsnowball possible that Apple does not hold the patent. They may just be using someone else's patent which would be okay. Getting to large for a comment so I posted it as an answer.
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