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What is the answer? T2 based system which are locked = $12 scrap!

9to5mac - Comment: ‘$3k Macs reduced to $12 scrap’ shows need for a new T2 chip approach

What is the best balance and maybe something better is needed.

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For T2 macs, what I would copy the Dell ownership transfer model where you just need some proof of purchase, but you do not know who previously owned the machine since it doesn’t matter - I would use the same principle for used T2 Mac unlocks.

So say if you bought the machine used, then it will be unlocked but you need to bring your receipt in for help unlocking the device. It can come from anywhere (eBay, Mercari, OIfferUp etc.) who offers a way to prove new ownership, but there needs to be something proving you own it. The idea here is to discourage Craigslist purchases so the people buying them know if you buy it from a place like eBay, you’ll get help. You want to discourage Craigslist as much as possible since there’s a higher risk of buying stolen hardware.

After you’re proven to be the new owner, that gets sent over to Apple and the machine is unlocked for you and you can actually use it. In addition, the machine is now yours to Apple but it’s notated in GSX it was purchased used so if you have EFI password issues, they know to expect a non Apple proof.

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In my view, market in the end always finds its balance. Now we’re just in a no man’s land in between Apple reputation and what Apple is nowadays. The main problem here is ourselves, “spoiled” by Apple devices that could last and be useful for years and years if they were not beyond repair.

Let’s be honest, nobody gives a %#*@ if the same thing happens with Windows based PCs and laptops, as their residual value after a couple of years is usually neglectable. Not to mention android based smartphones, not worth fixing most of the times, unless it’s just a broken display.

Older Apple preowned products kept a very high marginal value for years. They were top class hardware devices that were worth fixing. I believe that today’s new Apple hardware prices pretty much reflect such implied higher quality expectations, that come from older days, when resale prices of Apple devices were significant for years and years.

That’s changing pretty fast, we’re seeing it already with iPhones. Their resale price is dropping faster and faster, year after year, making bigger refurbished business profitable almost only to countries like China, where labor is still a minor cost. New iPhones prices are following the same trend, discounts start showing up a couple of months after presentation everywhere, except official Apple Stores for obvious reasons. Today, the iPhone 11 already sells 25% cheaper than 6 months ago, brand new. You can’t find many used iPhone 11 yet, but who would be ready to pay more than 60/65% of the new, for a used device ? That brings down the current preowned reasonable price of an iPhone 11 at abt 55/60% of the original presentation price in just 6 or 7 months. Worth fixing in 18 months from now ?..

Market moves fast..if resellers are not making money anymore for dumb engineering choices, resale value will collapse and we will start seeing Macbooks prices competing with Asus and Huawei PCs, just like we’re seeing it happening with iPhones today, being compared on specialized sites to Samsung, Xiaomi or Oppo, just to name a few. Market doesn’t need Apple, no more than it needed Nokia, Blackberry or Motorola.

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Plus most of the Windows PCs nobody cares about are heaping turds within 2-3 years anyway. You see as well as I do how many people have unworkable junk with eMMC and Celeron processors. I legitimately can't help you bc you bought a turd meant to promote Office 365/OneDrive with 2GB RAM/32GB soldered eMMC.

Hopefully being lumped in with the Celeron eMMC trash will give them reason to adopt a reasonable policy soon.

My personal Windows laptop has a i5-9300H/512GB NVMe SSD/GTX 1650+Intel integrated and 8GB RAM (SODIMM based). But I actively bought something that would last even if it's a bargain bin machine later on that's highly desirable. If the spec and price is right like my XPS 8500 (i7-3770/8GB RAM/Radeon 7570) people who can make it work will buy them or rehome them - you wouldn't know it's dated when you run modern applications and even some older games like Vice City and San Andreas on it - they upgraded due to the cost to upgrade it for modern games; not because it doesn't hold up today. The 3770 still holds up today, despite being 9 years old.

Now IF it had a major issue like a bad motherboard, I would probably find a XPS 8700 or a custom built Haswell PC if it ever had a major failure, but if my hard drive goes out it's worth fixing. If the price was right on Skylake hardware, so be it.

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