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Logic Board Repair Guides?

I would really like repair guides on how to properly fix and troubleshoot logic board guides. They would really get great views since most people spill,drop,or do something to mess the logic board up and anyone would like to avoid 900+ to get one from apple. For example if you had a guide or tutorial of water damaged boards and simple fixes and resources to get parts and tools to repair boards. Like in your Pro Tech Base Toolkit how it has expansion packs and one has a heat gun and other things to repair logic boards, what about actually having repair guides? I'm telling you it would be a major hit. I know you have to have skill to repair logic boards and every logic board damaged can be different but just simple stuff on troubleshooting and resources on repairing. The tools required and components needed would be a great section to show the resources and stores that sell them.

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i've heard of people repairing logic boards that don't have a electrical engineering degrees and the bottom line is that it would be useful to actually have resources or videos on people repairing them, just the basics and i have looked on the web many times at resources and all turn back nothing. Even the tool list and what to do the board would be useful to anyone. I would hate to even take it to a person that has a $250 flat rate service when maybe the repair could be as simple as a dollar. Apple does not release diagrams on the logic boards because they want you money and want to do the easy fixes. Any insight on apple logic board resources of damages would be helpful.

One of you engineers have to want to give away the secret behind it all!?!?

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Once you start talking about repair at a chip level (on the actual logic boards inside your phone or laptop) things get a lot more complicated when it comes to troubleshooting. Depending on the problem you might get away with just a multimeter and some general tips, or you might need an oscilloscope, an electrical engineering degree, and original circuit diagrams to figure out exactly which chip is misbehaving and why.

Sometimes it's as simple as a blown resistor which can be fixed with solder sucker, soldering iron, and 5 cent part. Other times a microcontroller had its flash memory wiped in a power surge, which requires a multi-thousand dollar logic analyzer, an AVR programmer, and access to the original compiled bytecode to reprogram the chip.

In the case of phones and other small electronics, many of the chips on the board are simply too small to be resoldered by hand, even for a trained professional. Repairing those chips requires an expensive hot-air rework station, or if you're talking about cracked cold solder joints on a BGA package, you might be totally out of luck. It might literally require starting all over with a clean board, laying down fresh parts with your pick and place machine, and running the whole thing through your reflow oven, assuming you can get the manufacturer to cough up the reflow profile.

I think you see what I'm getting at. :)

Replacing the logic board as a single piece is, right now, the sweet spot for anyone to be able to repair their electronics, and that's what we're targeting at iFixit. We want to teach everyone how to repair everything, but it's a bit crazy to expect people to all get electrical engineering degrees to be able to do that.

Besides, if we were all electrical engineers, jokes like, "Hey baby, you must be 0.7V and I must be a diode because you're turning me on!" would get old really fast.

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That said, we'd love to have more surface mount repair guides on the site. I've seen people do tremendously innovative repairs with a rework station and hand tools. If you know how to do this kind of thing, please share it with the rest of us!

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Agreed. There's definitely lots of great opportunities to document general DIY repair techniques like surface mount soldering or even using a $30 skillet from Target to reflow logic boards.

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Thats what we need.....any and i mean any repair guide can help us out, if iFixit just puts in a small amount of time and money into this subject it could grow and grow bigger over the years, if we just sit here and say what would be nice then we wouldn't get anywhere, i think we need iFixit to hire experieneced logic board repair people to do repairs and report on a guide to that model. Just like how iFixit has guides to every mac model from apple (from lcd replacement to hinge replacements). If they do a logic board repair on every model (be a challenge) but would help us out. Thanks for everyone helping my article out.

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great question - but most likely is it almost impossible to have a "logic board repair guide" for the masses.

it's not about the electrical engineering degree or the eqipment you would need to do anything with component level repair.

anybody can learn anything and buying some tools should not be too hard (but it could be very expensive)

here is an example for the actual repair - not the diagnostic stuff

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those 4 parts are pretty tiny - never forget that some people aren't able to connect cable 5 & 6 on the iphone (those parts are between connector 5&6)

here are a few problems you might have with this board

the use of a smd soldering iron is almost impossible - the parts are to tiny and even a new smd solderind tip is too big

so it must be hot air or infrared - since the plastic parts are very delicate - you have to be pretty careful with the temperature

the underfilled chips must stay "cool" - if they get to hot - the molten solder will crack the underfilling and the board will be dead

ahh - btw, did i mention that each of the 4 parts is tiny - the length is approx less than 1mm (no, i'm not kidding).

using a microscope and a tiny smd tip could be an option, but soldering under the microscope is not an option for me - the needed microscope will cost a fortune - and i hated it (worked as a nokia service tech).

ok, next problem - parts of that size will stick even on anti-magnetic tweezers or your fingertip and if they fall down - you will most likely never find it

that might look extreme - but it isn't - if you do component level repair - it's pretty much "common"

surely - notebooks are larger that smartphones - but the used parts are getting smaller and many computers are using the same small parts like shown above.

another thing is the actual repair guide - for a regular user almost impossible to handle

first of all - you need photos - but thats a problem, if someone has the equipment, the knowledge and a victim to dissect (you might think that this would be enough) - and a extremely good dslr with an expensive macro lens and a white table and some pretty good lights (light, even if you think that it would be enough, it's most likely not) - and of course - someone who is able to take good pictures of the things you're doing on the board.

(yes - i know that ifixit would have all the things - but in my case - i'm a "few" miles away from them)

component level repair is pretty heavy stuff, many "professionals" won't do everything - even if they do that for living.

check the ylod questions here on ifixit - you can have the tools, there is a guide and even with a good guide and the working tools - some users are not able to fix the problem.

it's not the inability of the user, a bad guide or bad tools - sometimes it won't work, sometimes it's the wrong temperature, the wrong duration - the wrong anything.

i started component level repairs in 1999 (only for fun) - i do thing's without a "repair guide" or an oscilloscope - but that limits the repair possibilities. most of the time i work on cellphones - there are some "service manuals" in the wild - but that won't help you if you can't buy the parts - some fixes are a little bit like a "texas chainsaw massacre" - but they work. there are many pages where you only get a picture of the pcb with a few lines on it - that's it.

like this

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any idea what this means??

this is the "pinout" of the iphone 3g/3gs sim card reader - most likely the last resort to fix a faulty card reader(logicboard related)

there are a few internet pages with that kind of guerilla repair.

but that's not an option for the regular ifixit user - most of the time, it's the last thing you could try. some of those "repairs" are like brainsurgery with a kitchen knife - and that's something i won't see promoted here - it comes from the "underground" and it should stay there (most of the time ;-) )

wow - that's a pretty long text and i hope that it's not to chaotic - lol

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Very good representation of the simple facts.

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If I could up vote kyle's comment I would. When I started out I could solder anything the size of an elephant.. Not helpful on an iPhone! A guide to using a hot air station for soldering or reflowing/removing components, temp/time guides for a phone board, pc/computer, tv (3 thicknesses I've worked on) I used "the curiousinventor.com" as my tutor. I've made mistakes trying to teach myself.. Luckily on junkboards I was salvaging for parts! I bought a cheap hot air station and a solder station which was all I could afford at the time. If someone truly believes in repairing their own household goods then even these items will be a must. I believe that we should have a guide of similar quality to your other guides for these items.. If the repair requires more than easily borrowed or a cheap station that'll be used again and again then I agree it's a professional repair. For Christmas my parents bought me an Australian book from the 70's/80's by Dick Smith ( pilot and owner of electronics shops) unbelieveably good for beginners/novices wanting to learn electronics. I was actually going to recommend using it as a template for a "glossary/how to" on here! Wish they'd bought it last Christmas, ah well.

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I'm with Polly and Kyle - there could (should) be some basic tutorials showing techniques and tool handling. from that, each individual can decide if the want to buy the tools and give it a go or pass it along to a professional for repair. At least they have a choice. My dad taught me to solder, he probably learned how by reading a 1937 boy mechanic magazine!

It's not feasible to have a how to for each device/component but I think a few good tutorials on things like replacing an SMD resistor or IC, repairing a broken copper track, identifying and re-flowing a dry solder joint, even basic through hole soldering would go a long way to empowering more people to have a go.

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Think you said it better than me.. This isn't about being able to fix each individual board, but more about giving people a chance to learn as much as we can teach. Not all of us have time or money for a course in electronics repair but we can do what dave has spoken of... And it doesn't all require expensive tools and if it does then that's what professionals are for.

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Absolutely agree with all of you on this. Has anybody noticed that every broken SMD component has now turned into a condenser :-) I think something like the basics would be a good start. Most of the practical stuff has to acquired by actually doing it, like soldering, proper troubleshooting, how to use a multimeter etc. It not about all the fancy tools we can get, its about knowing how and when to use them.

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**Off topic warning** Thanks oldturkey - you just took me back more than 35 years to when my dad and I were building my first radio. He used to call capacitors condensers!

You have hit on something though - often we are told the wrong device name or that blue thing, or other less helpful descriptions. Perhaps a SMD basics guide would be good... Hmmm. *rubs chin in deep thought*

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richdave..you'll know who Dick Smith is! Honestly his book is old as the hills but the definitions in it and the "how to" are actually still useable. Especially if you want to travel back in time and build that radio again..there's a guide in there for that!

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Yes - I remember trolling thru Dick Smith stores back when they carried a plethora of discrete components - those days are largely gone! I think my Dad bought me a 150 in 1 electronics kit from DS when I was around 10 - wish I still had it!

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