What did you hire this guy to be king of down voting with no explanations as to why he is giving these down votes?
Evan Gattuso
https://www.ifixit.com/User/4026158/Evan...
Look at his voting record.
Hello Mayer,
We appreciate your concern about what’s going on with the website. Our dear friend @oldturkey03 brought this up earlier. @krisrodriguez and I are going through a few thousand questions a week and downvoting and removing questions to helps users find useful content on the iFixit website. The downvotes are not knocks on the authors; they are tools that will organize how the website shows up on Google searches. As I said, we are going through thousands of questions, so mistakes will happen. Please alert me as you did earlier if we make a mistake and downvote a good solution.
1 Comment:
@evanga2so - How about adding a bio to your Info card.
by Dan
@mayer @evanga2so okay so who broke this? There was a decent explanation for what may have happened and what is currently going on in Moderation :-) but it disappeared. iRobot? @danj ? @evanga2so ? Who dunn it .....;-)
Anyhow, @mayer take a look on here Just wondering what's going on in Moderation :-? and check the answer by @krisrodriguez . Looks like somebody has a big job ahead of themselves and I am sure that some of our answers will disappear and thus our rep count change. Collateral damage which comes with a good house cleaning. I don't think there was any maliciousness indented. LMAO Czar of Down Voting. I thought we already had one of those ;-)
Thank you all and stay safe please.
4 Comments:
@oldturkey03 @mayer - I don't have an issue with @evanga2so direction.
Whats important is the correct answer is at the top.
When we have an incomplete question we shouldn't just accept the answer when it's still nebulous on what the problem is or if other possibilities could be the answer. It's better to just close it as not answerable.
by Dan
@danj @mayer @evanga2so I agree and we all need to relax. We know that over the years there has been an accumulation of some sub-standard questions and answers. I am okay with those being cleaned up and if I lose rep points because of it, then so be it. I am certain there is a good reason for it. Let the data analysts do what they need to, if it increases the overall quality of Answers. It'll all even out in the long run. Life is way too short to worry about this and all I know is that I really wouldn't want that job ;-)
by oldturkey03
@oldturkey03 - I'm cool ;-}
by Dan
@oldturkey03 In some cases, I've been letting the answers/questions go voluntarily if it's beyond help. However, it is conditional for self preservation reasons - I can't have made many points off of it by "accepting" a solution, or even one upvote. Yes, I lose 2 points but I still have the remaining 8 to soften the blow on questions, or 10 points on answers. I was so close to 62.3k, but this all happened.
Just being honest on why I consider it "conditional" on ones I let go of voluntarily :P.
by Nick
Hi @danj @mayer @jayeff @pollytintop @nick @aactech @oscarsp and everyone else here!
Just like we talked about in Just wondering what's going on in Moderation :-?, this is all about improving the experience of someone trying to repair their ‘insert broken device here’. Their search will become easier by helping them find the solution they need without having to comb through thousands of unanswered or vague questions. I have noticed that some reputation totals are dropping, but I have a plan!
@evanga2so and @krisrodriguez have a pretty massive mission of sorting through 40K+ answers submissions in just 10 weeks. Their project ends in mid November. Keep an eye on your reputation and if you find that yours are affected, please keep track of how much you lose to this project. I will manually re-credit your accounts what you’ve lost–it’s not your fault that someone asked a vague question.
Hope this helps ease everyones concerns!
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@amber You're taking the points. all I did was spend 6-8 hours a day for years to get them and help this site and the people who asked the questions. I feel you need to keep track of how much you are taking. They will be mainly from the people who answered most of those questions. So far I've dropped about 16,000 and you want me to try to figure out how much you are taking every day. You're the ones that have the records!
by mayer
@amber @danj @mayer @jayeff @pollytintop @nick @aactech @oscarsp @krisrodriguez sounds reasonable and I am willing to donate my points to the Czar and Czarina of Down Voting ;-) for as long as you guys make the improvements stick. I know you all recognize that besides the rep points, the total numbers of answers given by us will also change. Yes, we should be more selective about which questions to answer but since we are a helpful bunch, we just answer it anyway :-) This now creates potentially a totally different dilemma. Badges. There numbers will change. Total answers provided, that number will change. Every individuals statistic connected to those questions/answers, will change and no longer be a reflection of the work that went into any of this. I agree with the approach you are taking and that it must be done. There simply is no easy way to get this cleaned up. So, let's get it done and let's move on to a cleaner, better Answers section.
by oldturkey03
@oldturkey03 I'm not happy about having to lose points, but as I said I'll take it as needed. That does mean I will be going back on past downvotes as needed and move towards deletion to soften it in some cases.
by Nick
@nick what it means to me is to not leave comments posted as answers, to delete bogus answers and to upvote the good answers. I believe that some of this mess could have and should have been cleaned up by us, the moderators. Yet we are so focused on other things. Like I said in Meta couple weeks ago, we are not moderating right if we do not vote (up or down) on everything that we read. We are not seeing the big picture but only our own favorite devices. We should know the difference between an answer and a comment and need to act on those. Check Moderation frequently and check our own records. Are we doing enough to keep Answers relevant to those that are looking for true answers? I do not think so. I see @jayeff habitually doing his part but that is pretty much it. Let our own record reflect that. This is not about accepting answers this is about keeping our house clean. We all spend years on answering questions yet we ignore that which has been posted before and after us. Now others have to clean up what we ignored. So, when we lose points, badges, standings, and 100 of hours spend on researching and posting answers, it is collateral damage to a clean up we should have done all along. Nick, I know you are not a moderator but nothing should stop you from flagging those that do not meet the criteria for being a decent answer.
by oldturkey03
Rather than "take" points, why not grandfather, or restore, the early-adopters' points as a tribute to their heroic efforts in establishing ifixit.com for the powerhouse that it is, and go from there?
by Sam Shovel
Hello
I understand that the loss of points can be annoying. I have few, cannot take many from me ;p
I agree with Oldturkey03, but I understand Mayer's frustration . Taking care of the forum a little more, could improve a lot and that would help everyone.
Now I have less time, but I will carry out cleaning when possible and above all, I will vote regularly.
@oldturkey03, I'm glad to see you here again ;)
Great job that you all do!
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@oscarsp we are lucky to have you around here and your skills and involvement are always welcome.
by oldturkey03
Hi @oscarsp, I also understand the frustration. I've outlined out plan in it's own post. Let me know if you have any other thoughts on the matter!
by Amber Taus
When I have moderated I cleaned out the “me too, and this also" people/responses that clog things up.
I'm happy to have things removed if it clarifies answers.
I see no need to down vote answers unless they are wrong/misleading/shoddy. Downvoting is more than just shuffling the order of answers to put the best to the top, you're punishing people by removing rep. This site runs on goodwill and donated hours. When I know how many hours have been volunteered to helping others (and earning rep) it is very disheartening to see this kind of approach to cleaning up “answers". If @mayer has lost 16000 points that's actually a pretty big slap in the face as thanks for his hard work.
I think you need to rethink this process.
3 Comments:
I've had another 13,000 point drop sin ce the 16,000 disappeared.
by mayer
@mayer I went from from 34,626k or so (deleted some bad posts so factor that in). I'm down to 64,267.
This is not the way. I did it as a quick fix and it's still out of hand. Like this isn't my fault that they let a decade+ of bad content fly and now I need to take a hit for past negligence? Not cool.
by Nick
Hi there @pollytintop, @mayer, and @nick.
You're all right and we have done some re-thinking. I just wrote a new discussion thread here in Meta with a solution. Please let me know what you think!
by Amber Taus
@oldturkey03 @amber @danj @jayeff @pollytintop @nick @aactech @oscarsp @krisrodriguez
I’ve been looking at the down votes being given by @evanga2so
I really think our Czar needs a consult on just what constitutes a bad question as most of the OPs are not technically savvy to start off with or they wouldn’t be asking for help.
Most of the time when I do give a down vote, I at least post an explanation of why I did it, otherwise it is just a boo in the dark and helps no-one.
Example:
Bad question: My computer is broke, how do I fix it?
Bad Answer: Use Google to find the answer.
2 Comments:
@mayer when I read the original answer by @krisrodriguez "These downvotes/deletions are not a comment on the author (criticizing their question) but instead it’s to help improve what is and isn’t indexed on our site." I think the index criteria will be the downvote. Actually makes sense when you think about it. Why should an old "vague" question "pop up" first on any index etc.? I see where relevance comes in. I understand the rep point business and everything that goes with this, is a bit disruptive, but I am sure it'll pass. Why don't we just hang in there, monitor the progress and see what the end result looks like? Let the Czar and Czarina finish their task and see what it looks like. We can always criticize later :-) @amber said she was going to take care of your vast amount of lost points, so that is all good. You and I need to get back into moderating and focus on honesty, integrity, knowledge and accuracy. We can't let @jayeff do it all by himself :-)
by oldturkey03
I've begun logging the reputation of the moderators weekly to help keep track of lost reputation due to this project. It is a pretty time consuming process, but I don't mind trying to help keep track if you're not able to. Please let me know if you're already doing this for your own account so double the work isn't being done.
As always, please let me know how I can support you. I appreciate all you do for our community!
by Amber Taus
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