Formation of a Mac Certification Body
The problem as I see it and I believe @danj agrees is that no one at iFixit has the expertise to certify us in Macs as we are the experts. It would be ludicrous for iFixit to be presumptive enough to even suggest that they are the teachers and certification authority to the Professors Emeritus. They really don't know what to do with us. I have made a suggestion to @kaykay a while back to see if Cal Poly Tech would be in agreement in awarding Honorary Doctorate in Education status. The massive volume of the bodies of work with references is certainly there. Just the views on my questions, probably average 150.000 per week, validate it. Those answers and the guides and their validity and professionalism has placed iFixit as the defacto worlds authority on Mac repair.
In today's world everybody has to get certification and you are used to it. In the past, when a technology emerged there were no certifying bodies. so when the need arose there was a gathering of eagles. That was a group of the top professional in a field recognized by their peers. It's easy for one real pro to recognize another from someone just putting out BS. In the case of iFixit, they have unwittingly already done that in their naming of the moderators. So I believe, it is up to the top answer providers on iFixit to form that certification body with the advice and consent of the iFixit staff. I feel this should be one of our primary objectives at the September conference. I believe this action would solidify iFixit's status as the world authority on Mac Repair. We already have many university teaching courses on repair work and we also need a way to certify those instructors.
@rany @oldturkey03 @danj @mactechplus @kyle @kelsea @kaykay @reecee @zzz @jessabethany
I have contacted a research pro at the Texas Tech University Library and requested his assistance with this.
UPDATE 7/29/17
I have looked at the Apple Certification things for probably the last twenty-five years. I did it again for about six hours yesterday.
Here's what Apple is offering:
Service Fundamentals
http://www.learnquest.com/course-detail-...
Cost $1400 2 days
Apple Certified Mac Technician (ACMT) Certification
http://www.learnquest.com/course-detail-...
Cost $4200 6 days
So to become a ACMT takes a total of eight days of training, and costs $5600. If either Dan or I had a guy come to us with eight days of training for a job, we would laugh them out of the office. I think I may have opened up not just a can of worms here but a whole pallet load.
There's no way to cram 35 years of experience into a course, it's just to massive a body of knowledge. I've worked with Ken @mactechplus for over 20 years. I've seen the same type of relationship develop between Dan and I on answering questions that I have with Ken. He or I will answer a question and then the other will drop in with a reminder about a detail that the other missed. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Dan because I recognize him as a true master of his craft.
How to go about imparting this type of mastery into a course is beyond me. It's a journeyman type of project. Maybe that's why it takes so long to become a Master Plumber:
Plumbing, like most trade occupations, has a formal structure for career advancement and professional titles. Those who want to become plumbers either enroll in a plumbing technology program at a vocational school or community college, or apply to join a plumbing apprenticeship program. After two to three years of education or apprenticeship, plus another year or two of plumbing experience, you can become a journeyman plumber. After another one to five years of professional plumbing experience, depending on the state, you are eligible to sit for the master plumber exam.
So if it takes about 10 years of experience in a relatively static profession like plumbing, how do you do it in an ever changing and rapidly accelerating profession like Apple Computer Mastery? Now I can sit down with a guy and in 10-15 minutes tell where he's at with probably 5-10 questions So testing is not the problem for Dan or I. Kind of like if you ask a guy who claims to be a veteran what his MOS was and he can't answer, he's not.
Is this a worthwhile discussion?
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This discussion was promulgated by the discussion posed on another question: How to add Business to iFixit Local?
by mayer
@mayer I do agree with what you are saying but look at things a bit different. Certification in any profession does not teach you anything but is for the applicant to prove, that they have the knowledge to obtain this certification. Becoming certified in my profession did not teach me anything but had me prove that I know my stuff. So with 35 years of experience there should be no issues with "passing" a certification.
by oldturkey03
@oldturkey03 Mike, the problem is that there are no certification standards to test on except for those short course from Apple that cost a fortune. You can go to school for years and pass a lot of tests but until you've done it in the field you haven't done anything. I spent two years in lab school and three years doing it before I even attempted taking my Certified Dental Tech exams. The computer industry has nothing even close to that. And i was Magna Cum Laude.
by mayer
@mayer absolutely right. So why do we continue to let industry giants like Apple dictate certs? Again, I think it is up to you @danj @reecee and very few select others to really sit down and hash things out. You guys are the experts and know what consumers are needing and looking for. I think it is wrong to look at it from a corporate perspective but needs to be approached from an end-user perspective. Make it useful...
by oldturkey03
The nut as I see it is certification only gets you so far. Just like a doctor you're just book learned, you don't have any practical skills. This is were the rubber hits the pavement doing an internship at a hospital. Sadly, we don't have that option,
Back in the day the way a Swiss watch maker learns was so much better! He would be an apprentice to a master watch maker learning the skills. Today it's so sterile as there are very few apprentice programs in any of the handcraft trades.
Most just don’t know how to think thorough the problem or to rationalize the ways to figure out the problem at the deeper level.
When we where working on the BICSI CTS/RCDD training and tests it took us over two years! But remember we had to work with three different groups and to add to it the standards were (and still are) changing! So that also complicated things.
Just focusing on the Apple product space will be a big job, when you add in the fact Apple most likely won't offer us any help.
I don't want to be a downer here as @kyle stated it took quite a bit of time just doing the iPhone alone.
by Dan
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