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A bit of thought(and advice) for the ignorance in Answers, etc...

Hello iFixit,

I have a feeling most of you have noticed here my activity had dropped on iFixit to a standstill as of late, and because it pretty much dropped to what I consider how people who have a job, kids and a family pay attention to their Facebook account(in other words, very rarely), I this at least warrants a explanation. The section on Answers and guide ignorance is going to be extremely blunt due to the nature of the problem, and I ask this not be softened.

Just to make it clear: it has nothing to do with IT or making money fixing other people’s problems and getting paid, or even freebies from upgrades. I have no problem with helping people if they want it and I certainly will so secrecy isn't a reason. I will often take these from people replacing it, because most of the time it's "too old" for them or it's an easy fix and it's going to be in the landfill, but at the same time I will help someone fix it if they want to at least see if it's viable. I mainly got in this to build credibility since I lacked any certifications but now that I have some I really can't say this is the reason. I still do, but the certifications help the credibility problem and this is a nice extra to fall back on. I also kind of did this to prove my weight in this too, especially back in the HS days when you were laughed off for being "too young and dumb". My primary reason for walking away was the ignorance of Answers. I just couldn't take it anymore. It was a combination of the lack of response in Answers I dealt with for years, the lack of reward for my guides and the fact there hasn't been a effective solution yet.

Okay. School had a role in it, but I was also doing dual enrollment so I couldn't make time for iFixit that easily so there was a reason.

As of 2016 iFixit has made small progress on the issue but I still think that it's not much better. Even though I fully think this and back it I will give them credit for making progress.

I am going to go over all of my reasons individually, and explain what I plan on doing with these issues and for the Answers ignorance, a free solution that I think will work. :-)

• First problem: How nobody marks answers on iFixit for whose answer solved the problem. This has been a problem for years on end, so this isn't all that new. It's a rather old problem. This is more of a member fault, if anything. They will ask the question and ditch it, never returning.

There's many names you can use to describe this opinion. Greedy, crazy, impatient or simply not giving enough time to solve it. I don't think this is greedy or crazy, and this opinion is warranted and I have been patient for years on end so I also am not clling it because of one question. This has happened many, many times over. All I really want is to get acknowledged if my solution did it, but if it didn't I think the question owner should at least come back and mark it. This does not happen, and it gets tiring. Usually, this is resolved by a community acceptance because they gave up on the owner coming back, so eventually the question is "solved", but it's at the expense of getting tired of getting ignored and it sitting unresolved for years. I would like to think the problem has gotten better and it's less community flagging but I don't see this getting better anytime soon.

If you were rational, would you accept this? Probably not. You'd walk away and wait for a solution or walk away for good. I certainly feel this is a valid argument to defend my choice to walk away and let the problem fix itself before I come back. I'm not going to deal with this problem. If my time isn't appreciated, I'm out. I don't think it would hurt the person asking to just come back, yet somehow they don't.

As of 2016, I have noticed a diminished amount of community flagging. From what I can tell, it's probably not because the poster left the question but the main problem questions have been worked on years ago, and now most of it is junk questions that are simply beyond answering or community answer accepting. This is at least progress to reducing the "dead" questions.

Also as of 2016, iFixit has also attempted certain things to fix this low accept rate. Is it help? Maybe. As of late I have been focusing on guides, and dealing with my older guides that are best retired permanently and deleted and fixing the ones that make sense. I will have to spend time in Answers to form an opinion in this respect. Right now, I'm staying neutral.

In respect to guides the reason I very often don't get to them promptly is because of low read rates, and as a result low return for the effort for the work I put in. I just think this doesn't make sense. I make the guide, get ignored and realize I made it for nothing. One example is the Photosmart Premium printhead cleaning guide. This guide was 4 years old at the time(now 6) and the reason I have not really done much until recently is this ignorance problem. I just did not see the point for many years. If the guide was appreciated more visibly then I would have gotten a printer sooner.

As of 2016, I have made strides in this project. I have the text finalized, so all I need to do is remove a printhead from a printer since the pictures I need to take are so unique. One of the other small, but other reasons for this delay is acquisition problems, since I no longer own this printer(printhead failure beyond help). One reason is money. I am not paying for one of these things. People want way too much more often then not, for a Inkjet printer no less. Anything more then $5-8 is too much. People don't get this, and think they can get $50 for a printer that's many years old. I might be better off sourcing out a newer model that's very, very similar and simply working from scratch. In this case, all I care about is this:

  • It's 3-in-1 (Print/Copy/Scan)
  • It uses HP 564 ink tanks
  • It uses a 564 printhead I can remove

As long as it meets that, I literally DO NOT CARE how new it is. It can have ePrint for all I care. In regards to money and expanding on it, any of us in this field probably know how much of an offender Goodwill can and will be. They want a lot more then I consider reasonable ($5-8) but not as insane as the Craigslist sellers ($10-25) are. Not only that, but that's probably for a printer that needs work to boot. No thanks. This leaves Goodwill out, so that only makes it worse. A lot of them also need ink, so I factor ink into the risk factor. Ink is always 10x more then the printer. Physical head failure is another concern I'd have. If the head is a lost cause it's $80 to replace. I'm eWasting it if the head is bad. eBay has heads at $20-40, but they're almost always used. Those can leak and fail, and if it fails so soon you wasted your money, so the risk doesn't make sense.

I also have options when it comes to scanning, since I use Inkjets for scanners most of the time anyway. I can use the AIO that's not mine, but available, get a dedicated scanner or get a used printer. I'd rather go with using the one at my disposal or a dedicated scanner, frankly. I won't not use an Inkjet but it's not my first choice. In short, I have 3 options with scanning.

  • Buy a overpriced Goodwill printer, or any other thrift store
  • Buy a dedicated scanner that works with Win7 x64
  • Use the HP AIO I have available to me

I have chosen the AIO available to me for now, at least until I can get a scanner that's compatible or find a AIO that works. This is probably going to be my solution long term. Problems like that are also why I limit my guides to tasks I can perform in 5-10 minutes, such as the LaserJet 1012 Windows 64-bit setup guide since that was a quick and easy one to make, and publish. I could squeeze that in so I figured that made sense. With the Photosmart guide, not so much. I need to source out a printer, clean the head and then take pictures as I go and then make the guide. I also will probably have to invest money into it. I don't need to do that with SW. The This 10NES guide was no different. For now, until the problem gets better it's not a major priority. I will do it when I see a point to it, at least with guides like that. I see nothing wrong with quick guides that help a lot of people but they have to be little to no cost.

As of 2016 I did get the text done right. I literally just need a printer.

•Second issue: Member ignorance in Answers

Since I have been here for years I can say that as the site got older, less people actually checked as time went on. Very few people check Answers due to the lack of appreciation and questions being abandoned. Even I stopped checking because of it. I do check on occasion but not to the same degree. If it's something I know I will certainly chime in but it's not a regular thing anymore. This is because of how bad the return rate of the person who posted the questions has gotten. I don't like to spend my time in ways that lead to getting blown off, so I naturally decided to cut regularly checking Answers. I sympathize with people who just gave up, but don't completely agree at the same time. My approach seems better. The vast majority of us are volunteers and not staff.

Mayer has also made some good points in the past too, especially with member vs staff designation. It looks like everyone is a staff member with how members and staff are sorted. Something has to be done about that.

As I have mentioned before, the current systems in place now don’t work, since one eMail isn’t enough to get people to check. Even though I'm one of the better ones here, I still do not know everything. Sometimes I have to ask a question too. The problems this create not only affects how much I want to contribute, but it also affects me when I need some help too. Ignorance isn't helping, and it's not a good way to get people to chime in on Answers. Even Facebook groups have a better return rate on answers. There's no "accepted" answer but the person who asked at least acknowledges everyone. This problem was partially why I am dealing with the certifications. In a paid environment, this is fine since you get paid to deal with it.

• Third issue: Tech school(fact-not a issue)

Out of all these factors(and certifications), these are the big ones. I simply did not have the time I did before I dual enrolled in tech school during High School in the position I was in at the time. It's no longer a problem, but it was at one point.

• Fourth issue: Certifications

While not a major role in my lack of time spent on Answers it did play a very small part in comparison to the other issues. I got one of my first certifications in 2014, which can be found here. It's not it, though.

Well, this is it for this what I would call rant at some part. Hopefully this gets taken seriously and the ideas are implemented. I think this will at least solve some of them, but at the same time my ideas may not be the best. I'm more or less coming up with stuff that has a chance.

Some solutions.

To fix the accept rate situation, here's what I think should be done

* Send out infrequent eMail reminders to people who don't check their question

* If the person does not check after a certain amount of time, get more and more persistent

If the eMails do not stop, then they can't ignore it. They **CAN** put it in the spam folder, but it still gets sent and shown as a new message and any smart spam filter should know unless it's in the user set spam filter. This is spammy, but it would work.

I have not tested this personally, because Answers is not my major concern these days. At this point, I tend to do more guides. As I said I pop in but not often enough to make the final judgement if this worked or not. I am not the right person to ask.

To fix the member and staff designation

I have attached a crude Paint drawing from 2014. I will also attach the 2016 version. This will make it clear IFixit isn't just staff members, at least.

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In comparison to the old version, I like this one. It puts more emphasis on the members then the staff. This was the right way to go about it.

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Nick, please believe me, I do completely understand. I have to believe that most people think we are paid by iFixit for helping them and have therefor received or thanks. After all just click on the users tab. How are people to know the difference. What you do have is the knowledge that you are a respected member of a very small group of altruist professionals and have our admiration and respect. Yes, it would be nice if iFixit would at least acknowledge your hard work by establishing some criteria and at least giving you some piece of paper to put on your wall. Helping others can be and most of the is, a very thankless job. "the worker is worth his keep." I would not hesitate to request a letter of recommendation from Kyle Wynn for your resume. You've earned it. How long do you think iFixit would stay in business if the top six or seven answer providers quit giving their expert answers?

UPDATE 6/20 after Kyle's post

Kyle, first I'd like to thank you for the time and thought you put into your response. Handling employee recognition can be taxing, but there are lots of guides on doing it. Handling recognition of the volunteers here seems to me like trying to herd cats. I do not envy your predicament of the main draw of your business being mostly dependent on, (with a couple of excepts like Nick), a bunch of folks older than your parents. What I should do, (instead of gripping), is some serious research on what professionals recommend in this situation. In other words, treat this problem like it was a question being asked by a poster. Until we can give you some valid suggestions and positive input I think we should "can it" on any criticism. After all, we're here to help solve problems not create them. I'll get back to you after I do the work.

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This is more or less about the users who ask the questions, and not so much about iFixit-as I have said I would much rather help someone who I know wouldn't ignore their posts after they make them. And as to the thought people think that the people here are paid..... they need to do a better job making this clear then

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I have a guide I am planning on doing on recapping a Gateway HX2000 20" LCD monitor I got for 5$ to replace a failing Acer monitor, and I need to redo the capacitors, but with how iFixit is I may or may not get out my camera and make it a guide, but may just do it without my camera on my person

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I don't know if you will agree with me on this, but there are times I feel iFixit has gotten so big they ignore the little guys who made them who they are

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Forgotten? we were barely recognized to begin with.

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That too... it's like since iFixit got big, they don't care about us, the people who made them who they are today and don't give a !@#$ anymore

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This is a thoughtful list.

While some issues are cultural ones (for example, people not showing appreciation), sometimes technical solutions can help. Kyle and Taylor have the unenvious job of figuring out where to focus our design and development efforts, and they've been trying to push iFixit (as opposed to Dozuki) more lately. You may (or may not) have noticed that in the last month we shipped:

In fact, we're shipping approximately two things a day that are iFixit-specific, in addition to general improvements to the framework.

So don't despair! We've got a lot of things on our plate, but we're trying hard to actively address our users' concerns, and that includes yours.

We love you guys. <3

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While the new Wiki design is nice, in order to accommodate my certifications, I had to strip down my profile to make it work for now, though I did save the bits I wanted in a file on my computer for when I can make it work

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Also, I know you can't expect appreciation 100% of the time, but I at least expect around 80% of people to not ask the question, and drop it... I don't think 80% is much to ask, either

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We don't notice these things because NOBODY TELLS US !@#$.

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Well, the idea behind noticing things is that we don't have to tell you. :) I know that many of the things I mentioned aren't things you'd run across in your normal usage of iFixit, so that's why I mentioned them - now you do know. If you're interested, we've also just started posting monthly release notes on the Dozuki blog.

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Hear hear. And what about a new T-shirt? I hear what you are all saying, but honestly, I really don't mind if the OP does not come back. I just feel that we, the person that answers, have done a job. Something like a public service. I believe that anybody that provides a "public service" feels unappreciated; look at Teachers or Law Enforcement. I think for as long as we appreciate, and cooperate with each other, we do get something out of it. I guess its a bit of a warm and fuzzy feeling, a sense of belonging, purpose and accomplishment. I learn on Answers everyday, and enjoy problems solving. So yes, the one OP that comes back and says " Hey, thanks. great job" makes up for the 50 that don't. I guess I just look at it different since this is not my job, or even closely related, and I am having fun. Once we learn to appreciate and respect each other, we will earn the respect and appreciation of others. Just my 2 cents. Great discussion.....

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Can I ask you a question about this "doesn't matter if the OP bails" attitude? If the OP bails from the question and completely forgets about the question, how are we going to know who is truly right? If the iFixit members have to guess who was right or wrong in the question, it serves less value to the community since we do not have a solid answer to who was right. I know I probably didn't sway you, but I hope this has given you something to think about in regards to community moderation for a answer, or a answer picked by the OP.

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To me, a community decided answer(which usually outweighs OP accepted answers) serves less value for the reason I mentioned above. If you want to retain your current attitude I won't mind it at all, but I wanted to bring this one point up.

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You are right Nick, it did not sway me one bit. Yes, I will retain my attitude. Thank you for pointing it out.

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And as I said, everyone has their own opinion and I believe that the OP accepting the answer is more valuable then the community having to guess who is right.

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You can have your opinion, and I can have mine.

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Thank you very much for your blunt feedback, Nick. I appreciate it. Really! I'm sorry that it took me a few days to write a response. I have been traveling. I definitely read your post all the way to the end!

Let me address your concerns and suggestions one at a time.

I'm thrilled that the reason that you help people is "user ignorance, since [without your input] they won’t attempt a repair and will probably throw it out." I think this is precisely right. There is also an element of subversive culture change: If we help people fix something once, then maybe they'll come back and pass it along to the next guy.

Passing the love along

Let's brainstorm how to fix this together. I want to solve some of these problems.

'Call me crazy, greedy or any other name in the book but when I give my time away to help someone else out, I expect the people I give my time away to at least respond to show they appreciate my support.' You're not crazy, this is fair. Let's see what we can do about it.

Let me address your five suggestions one at a time.

Answer accept rate

Nobody seems to mark the answers on iFixit who solved the problem. I know that people don't accept as many answers as we like. In some cases, it's because the asker is leaving us high and dry. That's not always the case. When I ask questions, sometimes I can't accept the answer because:

  1. I haven't fixed it yet. I don't feel comfortable accepting an answer until I solve the problem. I need to read your answer, try the proposed solution, then go back and mark it accepted.
  2. The solution, no matter how good, didn't fix the issue. Yes, this answer might fix things for other people, but it didn't work for me.

But those situations aren't the norm, and we still want more questions accepted. Here's the data:

The user acceptance rate is under 10%. That's lower than it's ever been, and it's unacceptably low. We are going to prioritize solving this above all the other issues below. I want to get this back to 25% by the end of July.

Once approach that Stack Overflow takes is to display the 'accept rate' on member's profile pages. This helps for dedicated members, but not for more 'transitory' members.

Email reminders

3 e-mail reminders are required at the most I agree, one email reminder probably isn't good enough. I don't know the right number of emails to send. Perhaps we can experiment. A perverse part of me wants to keep sending them emails until they take some kind of action, but that's probably too extreme. We will try to do something.

Penalizing non-response

I would also dare say take a small amount of reputation away from people who ignore a question: I don't think this is a good idea. Negative incentives rarely work. They tend to discourage rather than encourage. I'd rather instill a 'Do a good turn daily' perspective with these folks.

Improved leaderboards

Another option would be to have a Users and Staff tab, to help signal iFixit is community run, too.' I completely agree. We're going to do this. Soon. (Yes, Mayer, you were right and we were wrong.)

Certifications on profiles

Certifications! I think these are awesome. We want to see more certifications listed. Give us a list of certifications that you like and we'll add them to the list.

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One more thing:

iFixit Swag — we have been bereft in this area of late. We want to make progress on this again. To kick things off, we've got some new t-shirt designs. I will be sending an email to everyone with over 1000 rep in the last year with a coupon to grab one of the new designs as soon as we get them in the store.

I would like to institute 'Random Acts of Swag.' Every month, we'll randomly hand out 5 apparel coupons to people with over 100 new rep. And for every 10,000 reputation you earn, you get the ability to give a Thank-You badge and a coupon to someone else in the community.

Oh, and we're working on redesigning your profile pages. I can't promise a date yet, but we've got some sweet mockups in the lab. Soon!

I know we need to do a better job of keeping you guys in the loop as we develop new features. We care deeply about making iFixit a fun and rewarding place to hang out. I think we have a lot of room for improvement, and I'm planning on making substantial progress this summer.

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Nick will be eternally grateful.